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Post  Astivers on Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:02 pm

Altegos Versayles got ex-1, CACIB, R.CAC
Altegos Canberra - CAC, BOS! And I'm very happy with her, because she is just 11 month old and in junior class she won in competition with champion-female!

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Post  Jo on Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:50 pm

Looks very nice but what is the rear angulation like? It is impossible to tell when the dog is so stretched out.
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Post  Astivers on Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:59 pm

Thanks for the comment! This is another picture of her made one week ago
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But still it's difficult to say from this about the rare angulation...for this you have to see the dog Cool especially in moving. On the picture you can see only grooming, and here it's probably with mistakes )))

And she was so stretched out...picture was made after the show, and that was her first show in the building, she was simply tired and didn't want to stand Sad
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Post  Jo on Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:17 pm

yes, show day is a long time to stay awake for young dogs. She looks to have a super coat and front!

It just seems to be a habit of showing dogs with the back legs pulled out to show a steeper topline, same with puppy pictures on here. Made me wonder if it is just they way they are handled/presented in some countries.
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Post  Astivers on Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:37 pm

Thank you for kind words!

As to habit... it's difficult to say. As to my point of view, schnauzers in GB and USA where they are like terrier type, they are shown standing with back legs which are more straight vertically. European schnauzers are shown with back legs which are going more to the back...more like this puppy. I don't say she stays correctly, indeed she was trying too much to take the snack, but in general it's like this. Probably people from this forum could explain better Cool
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Post  Astivers on Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:40 pm

And indeed some handlers when fogs have problems with top line pool the back legs out to make the back visually straight. In this case it's not a problem Wink But to be sure of course it's necessary to see the dog in movements...
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Post  D'el casa di Vita on Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:57 am

Congratulations!!! Smile
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Post  Astivers on Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:14 am

Thank you!
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Post  Frostmourne on Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:46 am

CONGRATULATIONSSS !!!! Very Happy Smile
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Post  Astivers on Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:52 am

Thank you very much!!! thank you
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Post  MsBritmor on Tue Oct 26, 2010 7:11 pm

I feel that when the rear is overstretched, it accentuates faults that the dog may not have. It makes the dog look like it is straight in the stifle and that it has no angulation in the rear. Most dogs cannot stand balanced when overstretched, so they are going to compensate by toeing out and looking cowhocked. Why would one want to give a dog more faults than it has? Just to get a steeply sloping topline? That doesn't make sense to me.

Personally, I would never breed to or want an offspring from a dog whose rear was in question to me since a good, strong rear is such an important part of good movement in a dog... a dog who can work all day without getting tired. A dog is propelled along by its rear... not pulled along by its front.

Also, when a breeder concentrates too hard on one or two areas on a dog in a breeding program, he is going to start to lose some of the other parts.... some of which can be really hard to get back. Don't follow "fads"; breed wisely.

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Post  Astivers on Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:48 pm

I agree with you for 100%!.. Both - about handling faults and breeding...
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Post  des matins de cristal on Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:56 pm

Congrats for your results ! Smile Smile Smile
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Post  Astivers on Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:42 am

Thank you very much!
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